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		<title>by: Fatmah BaOthman</title>
		<link>http://www.mindswap.org/blog/2007/04/23/where-are-all-the-agents-long-form/#comment-33982</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 02:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Thank you for your interaction with us and for including all members in this topic. Since I received your email, I have been collecting all related materials you have written in order to learn more about your interests. In your opinion, what is the best paper you have read-written in this regard?.
 
In short, I think for the next coming years, the focus should be turned into collective intelligence to empower a single agent technology. I am personally interested in this type of systems, not necessarily limited to robotic.


The growth of an emerging virtual society within elife is not a choice anymore; throughout the globe every wise person understands that virtual presence is as important as real life existence. There is no doubt that the world is going to witness the promised paradigm shift, if -we-researchers are given the necessary support and were able to collaborate in organized patterns. I believe we will be able to deliver at least 90% of what have been promised in the past decades.

In case you have any requirements for future publication, please let me know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your interaction with us and for including all members in this topic. Since I received your email, I have been collecting all related materials you have written in order to learn more about your interests. In your opinion, what is the best paper you have read-written in this regard?.</p>
<p>In short, I think for the next coming years, the focus should be turned into collective intelligence to empower a single agent technology. I am personally interested in this type of systems, not necessarily limited to robotic.</p>
<p>The growth of an emerging virtual society within elife is not a choice anymore; throughout the globe every wise person understands that virtual presence is as important as real life existence. There is no doubt that the world is going to witness the promised paradigm shift, if -we-researchers are given the necessary support and were able to collaborate in organized patterns. I believe we will be able to deliver at least 90% of what have been promised in the past decades.</p>
<p>In case you have any requirements for future publication, please let me know.
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 14:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>by: Frank Dignum</title>
		<link>http://www.mindswap.org/blog/2007/04/23/where-are-all-the-agents-long-form/#comment-30024</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 13:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Jim,
You are not the only one who is wondering where the agents have gone. Observing the fact that agent technology has not moved into main stream computing is not difficult. However, finding out the cause of this is more demanding.
Let me start with some general remarks on AI research and computing. My impression is that many people doing AI research are looking for cutting edge technology. Developing technology that is intelligent, adaptive, learning, natural, etc. The main concern in this type of research is how close we can get to human performance rather than how close we can get to main stream computing. This connection of AI techniques with the rest of computing science is of little interest to people doing AI research. This is not to say that it is not important! However, one needs other researchers with interests in software engineering issues to bridge this gap.
With agent technology a similar division of interests is visible. The people that are interested in the theoretical issues do not care about the efficiency of the systems and standardization of results. In the other hand, the people doing agent oriented software engineering care little about being faithful to BDI theory. They want to engineer products that are usable by non-agent people.
Although the basic ideas about software agents are quite intuitive and appealing they are far from fully developed. Therefore the theory does not give software engineers enough ground to base their implementation decisions on. Lacking any back-up from theory these people made their own decisions based on pragmatic considerations. This led to many different agent programming platforms and languages. Because people put emphasis on different aspects of the agent systems the platforms and languages also differ in many aspects and are hard to use together. Let alone that a standard could be developed. Two efforts to alleviate this problem were coming from DARPA through the CoABS project and from FIPA through its standardization efforts of agent interfaces. Unfortunately the CoABS software never made its way outside the US. The fact that it is now commercialized does not make it easier to use it as standard infrastructure. The FIPA ACL has become a defacto standard for agent communication. However, the relation with other communication standards on web services coming up in the W3C consortium is unclear. Therefore it is difficult for industry to start using this standard as it does not link to existing software standards used in industry.
So, what would help is a standard agent platform or language that can be used in conjunction with other existing software. This sounds quite simple. However, I bet most people would at this moment disagree about which components should be part of such a standard platform. Why is that? Mainly because agent theory did not solve a number of central issues and people are avoiding tackling them.
Some of those problems are:
-	Balancing pro-active and reactive behavior in a principled way.
-	How can agents behave social? I.e. which social concepts should be included in the theory?
-	Where does intelligence go? Into the reasoning or into the interaction or in both? How is that determined, designed, implemented?
-	How can we combine learning and adaptivity with reasoning?

But probably most important is that the agent community does not seem to have a way to discuss these questions and give some general direction to the research.

The above does not mean that nothing good happens in agent research. There are efforts to integrate agents and web services. It would be good if the results of these efforts would be available for the whole community.
Also in the area of using ontologies some progress is being made. Recent work is published on the negotiation of ontologies on a by-need basis. Relatively simple protocols are used to exchange concepts in such a way that all communication that is needed to perform some joint task is enabled.
Research on game theoretic issues could be used to design the interaction patterns in multi-agent systems in a way that leads to optimal behavior.

So, the message I have is mixed. Some good things are happening and should be made more clear to the outside world. However, a number of very important issues are left unsolved and no concerted effort seems to be underway to address them.
Unless we face these issues we will loose momentum and people (read: industry) start loosing trust in agent technology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim,<br />
You are not the only one who is wondering where the agents have gone. Observing the fact that agent technology has not moved into main stream computing is not difficult. However, finding out the cause of this is more demanding.<br />
Let me start with some general remarks on AI research and computing. My impression is that many people doing AI research are looking for cutting edge technology. Developing technology that is intelligent, adaptive, learning, natural, etc. The main concern in this type of research is how close we can get to human performance rather than how close we can get to main stream computing. This connection of AI techniques with the rest of computing science is of little interest to people doing AI research. This is not to say that it is not important! However, one needs other researchers with interests in software engineering issues to bridge this gap.<br />
With agent technology a similar division of interests is visible. The people that are interested in the theoretical issues do not care about the efficiency of the systems and standardization of results. In the other hand, the people doing agent oriented software engineering care little about being faithful to BDI theory. They want to engineer products that are usable by non-agent people.<br />
Although the basic ideas about software agents are quite intuitive and appealing they are far from fully developed. Therefore the theory does not give software engineers enough ground to base their implementation decisions on. Lacking any back-up from theory these people made their own decisions based on pragmatic considerations. This led to many different agent programming platforms and languages. Because people put emphasis on different aspects of the agent systems the platforms and languages also differ in many aspects and are hard to use together. Let alone that a standard could be developed. Two efforts to alleviate this problem were coming from DARPA through the CoABS project and from FIPA through its standardization efforts of agent interfaces. Unfortunately the CoABS software never made its way outside the US. The fact that it is now commercialized does not make it easier to use it as standard infrastructure. The FIPA ACL has become a defacto standard for agent communication. However, the relation with other communication standards on web services coming up in the W3C consortium is unclear. Therefore it is difficult for industry to start using this standard as it does not link to existing software standards used in industry.<br />
So, what would help is a standard agent platform or language that can be used in conjunction with other existing software. This sounds quite simple. However, I bet most people would at this moment disagree about which components should be part of such a standard platform. Why is that? Mainly because agent theory did not solve a number of central issues and people are avoiding tackling them.<br />
Some of those problems are:<br />
-	Balancing pro-active and reactive behavior in a principled way.<br />
-	How can agents behave social? I.e. which social concepts should be included in the theory?<br />
-	Where does intelligence go? Into the reasoning or into the interaction or in both? How is that determined, designed, implemented?<br />
-	How can we combine learning and adaptivity with reasoning?</p>
<p>But probably most important is that the agent community does not seem to have a way to discuss these questions and give some general direction to the research.</p>
<p>The above does not mean that nothing good happens in agent research. There are efforts to integrate agents and web services. It would be good if the results of these efforts would be available for the whole community.<br />
Also in the area of using ontologies some progress is being made. Recent work is published on the negotiation of ontologies on a by-need basis. Relatively simple protocols are used to exchange concepts in such a way that all communication that is needed to perform some joint task is enabled.<br />
Research on game theoretic issues could be used to design the interaction patterns in multi-agent systems in a way that leads to optimal behavior.</p>
<p>So, the message I have is mixed. Some good things are happening and should be made more clear to the outside world. However, a number of very important issues are left unsolved and no concerted effort seems to be underway to address them.<br />
Unless we face these issues we will loose momentum and people (read: industry) start loosing trust in agent technology.
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		<title>by: James Hendler</title>
		<link>http://www.mindswap.org/blog/2007/04/23/where-are-all-the-agents-long-form/#comment-29132</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 21:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Jose - your response to Lotzi Boloni is exactly right - the so called Web 3.0 folks are starting to build large, annotated, machine readable and Web queriable back ends - I look forward to the day when these things can be taken better advantage of by computer agents!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jose - your response to Lotzi Boloni is exactly right - the so called Web 3.0 folks are starting to build large, annotated, machine readable and Web queriable back ends - I look forward to the day when these things can be taken better advantage of by computer agents!
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		<title>by: Jose Vidal</title>
		<link>http://www.mindswap.org/blog/2007/04/23/where-are-all-the-agents-long-form/#comment-29019</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 13:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.mindswap.org/blog/2007/04/23/where-are-all-the-agents-long-form/#comment-29019</guid>
					<description>Ok, I think we are in agreement that a little semantics goes a long way. For me, this statement is still a hypothesis (but one I favor). I do see a lot of semantic web companies starting up with promises of aggregating a large companies' databases.

Sometimes, this is as simple as matching one SQL table's "userid" with another table's "user-id". I think some of them do bits of inferencing (logical and probabilistic) as in "Joe's office is in building 7" and "building 7 is in MA" then its likely that "joe lives in MA". Still, I do agree that this is a first step. Hopefully, there will be a market for these systems. The first such systems will undoubtedly use very simple, special-case, hardwired rules. It is only the second generation of companies, if they ever appear, who will try to use more general inferencing methods.

Also note that these companies do not use agents. They are solely concerned with providing a service: aggregating their customer's databases. As always, we first solve the problem centrally and then we think about the distributed solution.


Boloni: 

I think Lotzi's view of the business case against agents has been true, but the situation is changing. Right know the most popular websites: amazon, google, flickr, facebook, etc., all offer REST backends and there is a wide proliferation of mashup websites that use those backends. In effect, people are acting as agents and aggregating content from various backends to serve a need. 

The question is: can we develop agents that build these mashups automatically? Yes, definitely, but it is NOT going to be easy. Mashing together say flickr and google maps still requires a lot of human-level intelligence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, I think we are in agreement that a little semantics goes a long way. For me, this statement is still a hypothesis (but one I favor). I do see a lot of semantic web companies starting up with promises of aggregating a large companies&#8217; databases.</p>
<p>Sometimes, this is as simple as matching one SQL table&#8217;s &#8220;userid&#8221; with another table&#8217;s &#8220;user-id&#8221;. I think some of them do bits of inferencing (logical and probabilistic) as in &#8220;Joe&#8217;s office is in building 7&#8243; and &#8220;building 7 is in MA&#8221; then its likely that &#8220;joe lives in MA&#8221;. Still, I do agree that this is a first step. Hopefully, there will be a market for these systems. The first such systems will undoubtedly use very simple, special-case, hardwired rules. It is only the second generation of companies, if they ever appear, who will try to use more general inferencing methods.</p>
<p>Also note that these companies do not use agents. They are solely concerned with providing a service: aggregating their customer&#8217;s databases. As always, we first solve the problem centrally and then we think about the distributed solution.</p>
<p>Boloni: </p>
<p>I think Lotzi&#8217;s view of the business case against agents has been true, but the situation is changing. Right know the most popular websites: amazon, google, flickr, facebook, etc., all offer REST backends and there is a wide proliferation of mashup websites that use those backends. In effect, people are acting as agents and aggregating content from various backends to serve a need. </p>
<p>The question is: can we develop agents that build these mashups automatically? Yes, definitely, but it is NOT going to be easy. Mashing together say flickr and google maps still requires a lot of human-level intelligence.
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		<title>by: Lotzi Boloni</title>
		<link>http://www.mindswap.org/blog/2007/04/23/where-are-all-the-agents-long-form/#comment-28910</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 02:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.mindswap.org/blog/2007/04/23/where-are-all-the-agents-long-form/#comment-28910</guid>
					<description>Jim

I think that I agree with you that the "intelligent software agents", as envisioned in the mid-1990s are not around. My story here is that I myself moved from the "intelligent software agents" field - I wrote one of the "also-run" agent systems (Bond) in 1998-2000, to embodied agents. I don't think that this is a desertion: I am still doing negotiation, strategies, communication etc. 

As you were asking for feedback, here are my thoughts on it:

1. Business interests vs. agents
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Many of the original visions assumed personal assistant agents which look up opportunities, compare prices and so on. This assumes providers who are willing to provide interfaces which allow this. There is a strong business case against this. 

* Many services on the web are advertising supported. This advertising would be lost on the personal assistant agent.
* Many companies spend extensively on marketing, sales, presentation and so on. All these departments have a strong interest to present their message directly to the consumer. 
* Many of the envisioned personal assistant agents were in fact creating a personalized "service product": for instance a travel package integrating services from multiple. The companies consider their right to create such packages - and they have extensive networks of collaboration agreements for this. 
* Many companies add "friction" to their dealings with consumers in order to prevent direct price comparisons. The first element here is to prevent agents obtaining the exact parameters of a product.

Now of course, all this has nothing to do with technology. If Expedia and the likes would open up their interfaces, the creation of personal agents would be straightforward. If the evolution of the web would have moved to a multitude of small providers, as it seemed to be in the mid 1990's, the interests of those would be to encourage users to package their services through personal service agents. But it turned out that the web became the domain of quasi-monopolistic providers, and their interest is to implement the packaging of the services themselves. 

Again, if the web would have moved towards a micro-payment model, there would be more support for user-side agents. But as it worked out as a mostly advertising supported system, there is a strong disincentive for companies to enable user-side agents - in fact, we are doing things like web aggregation and rss collections on the server side! This would have been the typical domain of user side agents!

2. The agents in the physical world 
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I think that we are less and less interested in software for software's sake anymore (agents or not). Ok, we have things like text editors, spreadsheets and compilers and so on, but there is relatively few radical new developments in those fields. 

The current trend seems to be about software which has a strong interaction with the world: such as communication, pictures, movies, music, or, of course robots, sensors and actuators. We are also using the internet for business interaction, but as I was arguing, the current business environment does not favor user side agents there. 

Once you exclude the personal assistant type agents, few interesting _purely software_ agent opportunities remain. 

However, as soon as we place the agents in the physical world (or even simulated physical worlds such as Second Life), suddenly the applications are all around. Of course we have another problem: many of the assumptions we made while assuming a purely software world are not valid, and there is an annoying number of entrenched technologies we need to adapt to. And there is also the previous work by developers who had implemented what would amount to naive agent implementations. 

But for autonomous entities in the physical world the business logic would work differently. There is no business pressure _against_ agents. Physical products are rarely advertising supported. Companies do not appear to have interests to control the interactions of physical devices they sold to customers. In fact there seems to be a significant interest to enable useful interactions between physical devices - and these will need to be done at the local level, between the devices themselves - it can not be done in a centralized way on the server side.

Thus: I believe that software agents will remain a niche product, at least as long as the business case is against them. I have strong hopes for embodied agents, both as an application case, as well as a testing ground for new technology (and why not, theories).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim</p>
<p>I think that I agree with you that the &#8220;intelligent software agents&#8221;, as envisioned in the mid-1990s are not around. My story here is that I myself moved from the &#8220;intelligent software agents&#8221; field - I wrote one of the &#8220;also-run&#8221; agent systems (Bond) in 1998-2000, to embodied agents. I don&#8217;t think that this is a desertion: I am still doing negotiation, strategies, communication etc. </p>
<p>As you were asking for feedback, here are my thoughts on it:</p>
<p>1. Business interests vs. agents<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>Many of the original visions assumed personal assistant agents which look up opportunities, compare prices and so on. This assumes providers who are willing to provide interfaces which allow this. There is a strong business case against this. </p>
<p>* Many services on the web are advertising supported. This advertising would be lost on the personal assistant agent.<br />
* Many companies spend extensively on marketing, sales, presentation and so on. All these departments have a strong interest to present their message directly to the consumer.<br />
* Many of the envisioned personal assistant agents were in fact creating a personalized &#8220;service product&#8221;: for instance a travel package integrating services from multiple. The companies consider their right to create such packages - and they have extensive networks of collaboration agreements for this.<br />
* Many companies add &#8220;friction&#8221; to their dealings with consumers in order to prevent direct price comparisons. The first element here is to prevent agents obtaining the exact parameters of a product.</p>
<p>Now of course, all this has nothing to do with technology. If Expedia and the likes would open up their interfaces, the creation of personal agents would be straightforward. If the evolution of the web would have moved to a multitude of small providers, as it seemed to be in the mid 1990&#8217;s, the interests of those would be to encourage users to package their services through personal service agents. But it turned out that the web became the domain of quasi-monopolistic providers, and their interest is to implement the packaging of the services themselves. </p>
<p>Again, if the web would have moved towards a micro-payment model, there would be more support for user-side agents. But as it worked out as a mostly advertising supported system, there is a strong disincentive for companies to enable user-side agents - in fact, we are doing things like web aggregation and rss collections on the server side! This would have been the typical domain of user side agents!</p>
<p>2. The agents in the physical world<br />
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<p>I think that we are less and less interested in software for software&#8217;s sake anymore (agents or not). Ok, we have things like text editors, spreadsheets and compilers and so on, but there is relatively few radical new developments in those fields. </p>
<p>The current trend seems to be about software which has a strong interaction with the world: such as communication, pictures, movies, music, or, of course robots, sensors and actuators. We are also using the internet for business interaction, but as I was arguing, the current business environment does not favor user side agents there. </p>
<p>Once you exclude the personal assistant type agents, few interesting _purely software_ agent opportunities remain. </p>
<p>However, as soon as we place the agents in the physical world (or even simulated physical worlds such as Second Life), suddenly the applications are all around. Of course we have another problem: many of the assumptions we made while assuming a purely software world are not valid, and there is an annoying number of entrenched technologies we need to adapt to. And there is also the previous work by developers who had implemented what would amount to naive agent implementations. </p>
<p>But for autonomous entities in the physical world the business logic would work differently. There is no business pressure _against_ agents. Physical products are rarely advertising supported. Companies do not appear to have interests to control the interactions of physical devices they sold to customers. In fact there seems to be a significant interest to enable useful interactions between physical devices - and these will need to be done at the local level, between the devices themselves - it can not be done in a centralized way on the server side.</p>
<p>Thus: I believe that software agents will remain a niche product, at least as long as the business case is against them. I have strong hopes for embodied agents, both as an application case, as well as a testing ground for new technology (and why not, theories).
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		<title>by: James Hendler</title>
		<link>http://www.mindswap.org/blog/2007/04/23/where-are-all-the-agents-long-form/#comment-28881</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 23:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.mindswap.org/blog/2007/04/23/where-are-all-the-agents-long-form/#comment-28881</guid>
					<description>Jose -guess it gets into a lot of narrow uses of words - I concede your main point - the thing I was responding to was your words "using a theorem prover to deduce new facts and thus create new connections among the data" which implies a particularly methodology that I don't tend to endorse -- I think a lot can be done with weak methods, heuristics, datamining, statistics, etc - so I just didn't mean it was completely logic-based.

More importantly, the key thing in my mind is that these things can work within a narrower domain than "general knowledge" and thus we may not be talking heavy duty inferencing on large knowledge bases.  I often retreat to a phrase I've used often (see my "Dark side of the Semantic Web" blog) - a little semantics goes a long way... basically, with a lot of data and a small amount of inferencing, one may be able to solve a lot of problems and do a lot of "intelligent" things (note the scare quotes, I don't want to get into discussion of what that word means).   

Hope the helps clarify
 -JH</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jose -guess it gets into a lot of narrow uses of words - I concede your main point - the thing I was responding to was your words &#8220;using a theorem prover to deduce new facts and thus create new connections among the data&#8221; which implies a particularly methodology that I don&#8217;t tend to endorse &#8212; I think a lot can be done with weak methods, heuristics, datamining, statistics, etc - so I just didn&#8217;t mean it was completely logic-based.</p>
<p>More importantly, the key thing in my mind is that these things can work within a narrower domain than &#8220;general knowledge&#8221; and thus we may not be talking heavy duty inferencing on large knowledge bases.  I often retreat to a phrase I&#8217;ve used often (see my &#8220;Dark side of the Semantic Web&#8221; blog) - a little semantics goes a long way&#8230; basically, with a lot of data and a small amount of inferencing, one may be able to solve a lot of problems and do a lot of &#8220;intelligent&#8221; things (note the scare quotes, I don&#8217;t want to get into discussion of what that word means).   </p>
<p>Hope the helps clarify<br />
 -JH
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		<title>by: Jose Vidal</title>
		<link>http://www.mindswap.org/blog/2007/04/23/where-are-all-the-agents-long-form/#comment-28880</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 23:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>First, sorry, only users that take the time to create an account (and pass the captcha) can post comments on multiagent.com. Too much spam!

Anyway, I'm kinda lost. In the nature article you mention you do talk about agents having ontologies and using inferencing.  You also posit that the agent must be:

"It must be communicative: able to understand your goals, preferences and constraints. It must be capable: able to take options rather than simply provide advice. It must be autonomous; able to act without the user being in control the whole time. And it should be adaptive; able to learn from experience about both its tasks and about its users preferences."

The only way I know to do the first two, communicative+capable, is by doing some heavy duty inferencing using a large knowledge base. Also, I note that your requirements there do sound a lot like general AI.

I guess my question is, can you provide an example of an agent that meets your criteria above but is not intelligent? is not C3PO?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, sorry, only users that take the time to create an account (and pass the captcha) can post comments on multiagent.com. Too much spam!</p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;m kinda lost. In the nature article you mention you do talk about agents having ontologies and using inferencing.  You also posit that the agent must be:</p>
<p>&#8220;It must be communicative: able to understand your goals, preferences and constraints. It must be capable: able to take options rather than simply provide advice. It must be autonomous; able to act without the user being in control the whole time. And it should be adaptive; able to learn from experience about both its tasks and about its users preferences.&#8221;</p>
<p>The only way I know to do the first two, communicative+capable, is by doing some heavy duty inferencing using a large knowledge base. Also, I note that your requirements there do sound a lot like general AI.</p>
<p>I guess my question is, can you provide an example of an agent that meets your criteria above but is not intelligent? is not C3PO?
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		<title>by: Yihong Ding</title>
		<link>http://www.mindswap.org/blog/2007/04/23/where-are-all-the-agents-long-form/#comment-28834</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 19:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Dear Professor Hendler,

I have some humble comments, maybe naive, but please allow me.  

Agents are becoming latent.  This is my observation.  As you have pointed out in your article, the old agent infrastructure has been gradually replaced by the newer service-oriented architecture.  The functions of machine agents have been decomposed into various web services.  As a result, explicit agents disappears, while at the same time implicit agent components become popular everywhere.  On the basis of the current SOA, agents on old definition can be resurrected any time by composing available web services properly only if someone is willing to do so.  

If we view the entire dream of producing intelligent agents as a divide-and-conquer procedure, we are now in a phase of dividing.  Originally, we had tried to solve the problem as a whole and we failed.  So we now are trying to decompose the problem into small pieces.  Until now it is so far so good.  With the prevalence of web services and SOA, we may sooner or later move to the phase of integrating our divided components, which will compose these agent components back to the purpose-driven agents as we had dreamed for long time.  It is definately not trivial and it might even fail.  But at least, this is what the whole world is trying.  

In summary, this is my final answer to your question on where agents are now---they have been broken up into pieces and waiting for the reassembling.  

Yihong Ding</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Professor Hendler,</p>
<p>I have some humble comments, maybe naive, but please allow me.  </p>
<p>Agents are becoming latent.  This is my observation.  As you have pointed out in your article, the old agent infrastructure has been gradually replaced by the newer service-oriented architecture.  The functions of machine agents have been decomposed into various web services.  As a result, explicit agents disappears, while at the same time implicit agent components become popular everywhere.  On the basis of the current SOA, agents on old definition can be resurrected any time by composing available web services properly only if someone is willing to do so.  </p>
<p>If we view the entire dream of producing intelligent agents as a divide-and-conquer procedure, we are now in a phase of dividing.  Originally, we had tried to solve the problem as a whole and we failed.  So we now are trying to decompose the problem into small pieces.  Until now it is so far so good.  With the prevalence of web services and SOA, we may sooner or later move to the phase of integrating our divided components, which will compose these agent components back to the purpose-driven agents as we had dreamed for long time.  It is definately not trivial and it might even fail.  But at least, this is what the whole world is trying.  </p>
<p>In summary, this is my final answer to your question on where agents are now&#8212;they have been broken up into pieces and waiting for the reassembling.  </p>
<p>Yihong Ding
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		<title>by: James Hendler</title>
		<link>http://www.mindswap.org/blog/2007/04/23/where-are-all-the-agents-long-form/#comment-28827</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 19:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.mindswap.org/blog/2007/04/23/where-are-all-the-agents-long-form/#comment-28827</guid>
					<description>Jose - I like what you put on your website, doesn't have a place there for comments - the one thing I would disagree with is that I never argues for agents as things that download ontologies and theorem prove -- perhaps the best piece I've written on what I think an agent could be is at http://www.nature.com/nature/webmatters/agents/agents.html - a bit out of date, but I'm still waiting....
 -Jim H.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jose - I like what you put on your website, doesn&#8217;t have a place there for comments - the one thing I would disagree with is that I never argues for agents as things that download ontologies and theorem prove &#8212; perhaps the best piece I&#8217;ve written on what I think an agent could be is at <a href="http://www.nature.com/nature/webmatters/agents/agents.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nature.com/nature/webmatters/agents/agents.html</a> - a bit out of date, but I&#8217;m still waiting&#8230;.<br />
 -Jim H.
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